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Tookis Elite · Dec 17, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

it has to do with the way the images were saved. look at this...

the top is an image copied from another image saved as a .jpeg (this reduces quality in order to be able to upload larger images into the internet)

the bottum image is copied from a .bmp (original copy basically)

this is all one image, saved as a .bmp - the top (.jpeg) is obviously real (because i made this image) but shows the "dots" around the mods because its original was saved in a .jpeg format. yet the lower image does not show these "dots" because its original was a .bmp

[DE] · Dec 17, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Tookis, I saved the Koosun staff as a jpeg and no pixels around it. And than the huge picture I showed was also a jpeg and still no pixels around the staff.

edit: But than again I'm not an expert when it comes to distinguishing between real guild wars images and fake ones. The items just seemed to stick out way to much.

carbonbasedlifeform · Dec 17, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheYangg

Believe me, the Weapons are true, these are my screens...
/e: i don't actually know if these are mine, but i got axactly the same

one more...

Isn't that the Wolf Hammer skin? huh?

Zehnchu · Dec 17, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

If this is true then honestly I now see the error of my ways and see that they did an outstanding job. The prize should be about the challenge of getting to the end that’s what everyone asked for and not what he drops. I’ve always felt that if you wanted to get to the elite mission you should always have to go back to the starting point and earn you way back.

Thank you for your wonderful work dev team, what ever you do, do not change a single thing ever.

Hand of Ruin · Dec 17, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

Tookis, I saved the Koosun staff as a jpeg and no pixels around it. And than the huge picture I showed was also a jpeg and still no pixels around the staff.

edit: But than again I'm not an expert when it comes to distinguishing between real guild wars images and fake ones. The items just seemed to stick out way to much.

rofl conspiracy theories about a game FTL... it's been weeks now, you think peope are incapable of beating him?

Tookis Elite · Dec 17, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

Tookis, I saved the Koosun staff as a jpeg and no pixels around it. And than the huge picture I showed was also a jpeg and still no pixels around the staff.

ah, but the original of the mallyx was a jpeg as well. and saving into a jpeg 2x makes the dumbed down-ness of it appear 2x as much. so compare like this. if i resave my original proof into a jpeg as well. it will appear more fake yet the bottum image should not be affected too much.

yet zoom in closer on the "better" one and you will see it too has been dumbed down, yet its messed up pixels are on a smaller scale because the image was not jpeg-ed, increased in size, then jpeg-ed again.

the image of the zoomed in jpeg-ed bmp is saved as a bmp to keep it as original as possible.

if u want i can go into more detail but these items r not photoshopped

Carth` · Dec 17, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

The compression of .jpeg is variable, it can be very lossy or not as lossy. Saving the same image twice at the same quality shouldn't double the loss.

lulu_at_sin · Dec 17, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

i will post the build / idea in a couple of days.
anyway the time we used trying to figure out a way and the result we got, isnt worth a bit. just to know that we were the first.

gratz to all the guys helping us and didnt get the profit out of it (sry guys, but u were off or afk):
leeloof and aphro

and to the rest:
wostl, besen, tschen, syreia, jeong and myself.

Tookis Elite · Dec 17, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth`

The compression of .jpeg is variable, it can be very lossy or not as lossy. Saving the same image twice at the same quality shouldn't double the loss.

it does. compare the .jpeg section of the .bmp - and the .jpeg section of the .jpeg

ThunderStruck · Dec 17, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Note to self: Don't bother with DoA...

lulu_at_sin · Dec 17, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

and to the rest, the beast is down.

here the pic again.

Carth` · Dec 17, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tookis Elite

it does. compare the .jpeg section of the .bmp - and the .jpeg section of the .jpeg

If I understand you, you are saying if I am working on an image in JPEG format over a period of 5 days, and each day I resave it, it will eventually have 5x worse quality?

Edit: read this

That is why Koosun staff looks similar to an original .bmp and yours look pixelated

Kaleban · Dec 17, 2006, 12:37 AM // 00:37

I'm posting again because the last few posts were not done by me the account owner, but my brother who got on my computer without telling me.

Anyways, Lul was nice enough to show us both the maul, in-game, so I can confirm its true.

Now I'm going to carry out a promise I made to Lulu and go kick my brother's ***!

Kit Engel · Dec 17, 2006, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth`

If I understand you, you are saying if I am working on an image in JPEG format over a period of 5 days, and each day I resave it, it will eventually have 5x worse quality?

Edit: read this

That is why Koosun staff looks similar to an original .bmp and yours look pixelated

Correct. Every time you save it, the quality that was shaved off by the compression is gone for good, and now your current save is the "best" quality you have.

Always work on a lossless format, and export to a lossy format when you're done. ^_^

Tookis Elite · Dec 17, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth`

If I understand you, you are saying if I am working on an image in JPEG format over a period of 5 days, and each day I resave it, it will eventually have 5x worse quality?

yes. if you make a small image. increase its size and save it as a jpeg. then go to save as - and save it again. repeat that. each time you will notice its quality will decrease - it eventually stops at about 5-8 saves though. it will not effect an image that is just being saved. but in this case the images were taken from other jpeg's and SAVED AS again. which does effect the quality.

edit** you make it large so the pixels changes are easier to see.

Sirus Dibley · Dec 17, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Having seen the crappy drops you get for killing the ultimate boss in gw , i;m afraid its the last nail in the coffin for me. No reason to carry on playing since anet went anti farming and I know a lot of other players who maybe realise that world of warcraft is where its at.

Im off for my 14 day free trial of wow,,,,,,,,,,

Bryant Again · Dec 17, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Well...This kinda sucks, huh?

Don't get me wrong, I love dungeon crawling. I can't wait to play the Domain just to be there. But those aren't fun skins...And cool weapons are an awesome reward.

However, it's very cool that they drop for everyone. They get kudos for that.

lyra_song · Dec 17, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirus Dibley

Having seen the crappy drops you get for killing the ultimate boss in gw , i;m afraid its the last nail in the coffin for me. No reason to carry on playing since anet went anti farming and I know a lot of other players who maybe realise that world of warcraft is where its at.

Im off for my 14 day free trial of wow,,,,,,,,,,

the sooner you realize that GW is not about drops, the sooner you understand why the drops are crappy.

Bryant Again · Dec 17, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

^ It seemed more like sarcasm. But then again...

Carth` · Dec 17, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Tookis Elite

yes. if you make a small image. increase its size and save it as a jpeg. then go to save as - and save it again. repeat that. each time you will notice its quality will decrease - it eventually stops at about 5-8 saves though. it will not effect an image that is just being saved. but in this case the images were taken from other jpeg's and SAVED AS again. which does effect the quality.

edit** you make it large so the pixels changes are easier to see.

Yeah you are right I saved an image 5 times, and there was a slight change.

Sorry back on topic > yeah Mallyx drops the same as any other monster could this is Guild Wars.